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	<title>Comments on: Living with Moslems&#8212;Meaning and Maxwell Smart</title>
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		<title>By: Bookmarks about Nothingness</title>
		<link>http://blog.holycyclops.com/2008/07/09/meaning-and-maxwell-smart/#comment-2308</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookmarks about Nothingness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 05:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - bookmarked by 2 members originally found by terranaomi on 2008-10-06  Living with Moslems—Meaning and Maxwell Smart  http://blog.holycyclops.com/2008/07/09/meaning-and-maxwell-smart/ - bookmarked by 6 members [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] - bookmarked by 2 members originally found by terranaomi on 2008-10-06  Living with Moslems—Meaning and Maxwell Smart  <a href="http://blog.holycyclops.com/2008/07/09/meaning-and-maxwell-smart/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.holycyclops.com/2008/07/09/meaning-and-maxwell-smart/</a> - bookmarked by 6 members [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Brian Johnson</title>
		<link>http://blog.holycyclops.com/2008/07/09/meaning-and-maxwell-smart/#comment-172</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Brian Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether or not the universe has an intrinsic purpose is irrelevant to how I live my life; whether or not I can find anything important, whether I believe it to be related to an intrinsic purpose or not, is what is relevant to how I live my life.  If God existed, he might have a purpose in mind for me, but it would still be up to me to choose which purpose, if any, to make my own.  I &lt;em&gt;might&lt;/em&gt; choose to make his purpose mine, if I thought I could somehow divine what that was, but that would be every bit as much my choice for myself as my choice of purpose for myself is now, in what I take to be a nontheistic universe.  What I find meaningful and what I do not find meaningful might be related to my &lt;em&gt;beliefs&lt;/em&gt; (although I'm not sure there's a necessary connection there), so, to the extent that my beliefs reflect reality, what I find meaningful might be related to reality itself; but it's always my choice.*

*I am using the word "choice" here, even though one might quite plausibly suggest that my finding X meaningful isn't always a matter of my choosing to find X meaningful---it might often be that I find X meaningful just because of how I am constructed or because of my personal history.  It isn't entirely clear to me that a personal history that included belief in an intrinsic purpose of the universe would be guaranteed to make me find life more meaningful than otherwise; I &lt;em&gt;will&lt;/em&gt; grant, though, that human beings often seem to derive comfort from the feeling that although they may die, they will not have lived in vain.  Yet, anyone who helps someone else or who does anything constructive or beneficial to or for anyone will not have lived in vain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether or not the universe has an intrinsic purpose is irrelevant to how I live my life; whether or not I can find anything important, whether I believe it to be related to an intrinsic purpose or not, is what is relevant to how I live my life.  If God existed, he might have a purpose in mind for me, but it would still be up to me to choose which purpose, if any, to make my own.  I <em>might</em> choose to make his purpose mine, if I thought I could somehow divine what that was, but that would be every bit as much my choice for myself as my choice of purpose for myself is now, in what I take to be a nontheistic universe.  What I find meaningful and what I do not find meaningful might be related to my <em>beliefs</em> (although I&#8217;m not sure there&#8217;s a necessary connection there), so, to the extent that my beliefs reflect reality, what I find meaningful might be related to reality itself; but it&#8217;s always my choice.*</p>
<p>*I am using the word &#8220;choice&#8221; here, even though one might quite plausibly suggest that my finding X meaningful isn&#8217;t always a matter of my choosing to find X meaningful&#8212;it might often be that I find X meaningful just because of how I am constructed or because of my personal history.  It isn&#8217;t entirely clear to me that a personal history that included belief in an intrinsic purpose of the universe would be guaranteed to make me find life more meaningful than otherwise; I <em>will</em> grant, though, that human beings often seem to derive comfort from the feeling that although they may die, they will not have lived in vain.  Yet, anyone who helps someone else or who does anything constructive or beneficial to or for anyone will not have lived in vain.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad McIntosh</title>
		<link>http://blog.holycyclops.com/2008/07/09/meaning-and-maxwell-smart/#comment-163</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad McIntosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that when one loses intrinsic meaning, whatever other meanings we come up with are not meaningful--like shifting the deck chairs on the Titanic. Once you know your end is nothing, you just &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; nothing. 

Far from liberating, I find such a view stifling. In fact, when I held to this view, all I did was stay in bed all day. Consciousness angered me. I could not bring myself to simply live as though life is meaningful though in fact it isn't, which what existentialism amounts to: utter despair or self-delusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that when one loses intrinsic meaning, whatever other meanings we come up with are not meaningful&#8211;like shifting the deck chairs on the Titanic. Once you know your end is nothing, you just <i>are</i> nothing. </p>
<p>Far from liberating, I find such a view stifling. In fact, when I held to this view, all I did was stay in bed all day. Consciousness angered me. I could not bring myself to simply live as though life is meaningful though in fact it isn&#8217;t, which what existentialism amounts to: utter despair or self-delusion.</p>
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